From Coulthart's twitter: https://twitter.com/rosscoulthart/status/1504597152257155075
The video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQhGxsprH8A&t=4989s
It's in French and the closed caption/translation thing wasn't working out too well, but a kind redditor translated a portion of the relevant conversation below. I will be posting some excerpts from another interview he did with Paris Match in the second half of this post. Everything from Alain Juillet is quoted in this post.
Host : We're gonna have quite a lot of questions, but before that, there is something quite astonishing when I prepared, when I announced to my people the name of the guest, I got thousand of questions saying 'Ask him about UAP'. Because, It looks like we've got a UAP specialist
Alain Julliet: Yes no, no, no I mean indirectly
Host : what's up with UAPs ? Are we spying on aliens ?
Alain Julliet: I can tell you the story. I have, There is someone that makes documentaries, great documentary, named Dominique Fillol, I give you his name it's not a secret. He came to me to film on the Alstom story, on the Alstom scandal, he wanted to know what were my views on it. So we talked about Alstom, he recorded me and at the end he told me "I'm leaving because tomorrow I have a new filming" so I tell him "oh yeah ? which one ?" he say "yes I'm doing a film about UAP". So I tell "That's an interesting topic" and he say "it interests you ?" I tell him "Me" and exactly, to explain why I'm interested in UAP I say "Me, on the defense side, I have a real issue when I see that they detect unidentified things, it happen, we know there are, and we know it better and better because there films, specifically Americans succeeded to film some, and take measurements, measurements in a lot of domains like radiations, magnetic fields, etc. We have a lot of measurements, lots of information gathered, from the last 15 to 20 years. And, we see that's something we fail to understand.
Host : We don't understand it ?
Alain Julliet: no we don't understand it, we don't control it
Host : Why we don't understand it ? Because those things have abnormal characteristic ?
Alain Julliet: Yes, because , for example, they are stationary and in a tenth of a second or in a second they are at 10,000kph. We are not able to build things like that
Host : Maybe we are and it's classified by the military, because we know when something is out, military have been working on it for 15 years
Alain Julliet: no, no, no, no, I'll tell you why it's not possible. Because we do not know today how to make a material that does not melt when passing in this lapse of time from 0 to 10,000 kph
Host : Maybe we know how to, and it's on a testing phase, because we know for example, the stealth bomber B-2 (aka Northrop B-2 Spirit), there are a lot of UAP cases was in fact this plane. The triangles were the B-2
Alain Julliet: Yes, of course, it always have been things like that. Like sounding balloons, etc. Yes, I don't talk about the helicopter that we mistook for an UAP at night, I'm not talking about that. We know, and there is people, especially in France, like the Geipan (aka The Group for Studies and Information on Unidentified Aerospace Phenomena) that study it, and they find answers. But there is a part, and Americans confirmed it, April Haines, the boss of the American intelligence, have recently said "it's a domain with things that we don't understand, we search, and as long as we don't understand it, we must not talk about it much" because it bothers everyone.
Host : and it's scary too
Alain Julliet: Yes it's scaring too, because, they've never been offensive till now, but, what if a UAP became offensive ? Everything can happen because we don't know how to stop it. So, you're right to say, what if it was a drone, or a... because we thought about it, everyone thought about it
Host : People are thinking
Alain Julliet: So we're thinking, is it a drone, did the Chinese found something, or the Americans or Russian. But when we look at it, we see that everyone, Chinese, Americans and Russians, everyone is looking for answers. Everywhere, services are trying to understand. And I, I'm not talking about green little men, that's not my topic. My topic is "We face something we don't understand, and it would be great to understand it" because it could become a real danger. And that's what I'm interested in, to try to understand. And my question goes further because, we've seen it in the air, but we've seen some it water too.
Host : oh yeah ?
Alain Julliet: yeah, fast ones. Really fast ones. At incredible fast speed. So detecting something underwater, that we can't identify, that goes at speed.. great speed, way higher than the speed of sound, we are like " weird, what could it be". So there that. And the more we advance in the technique, the more we identify event like this. But till now, we can't explain them. We'll find, I'm convinced we will. But we need time
The Paris Match interview https://www.parismatch.com/Culture/Medias/Alain-Juillet-Le-phenomene-ovni-echappe-a-la-dimension-terrestre-1681758
-Translated by Bing Translate-
Alain Juillet: "The UFO phenomenon escapes the terrestrial dimension"
In "OVNIs: une affaire d'Etats", Dominique Filhol addresses unidentified flying objects not as folklore but as a subject as serious as the scientists, politicians and experts who follow one another in this documentary. Among them, the former director of intelligence at the DGSE, Alain Juillet, who answered our questions.
This is a first: the former director of intelligence at the DGSE, Alain Juillet, speaks without taboos on a subject that, for many, still smells of suffering: unidentified flying objects. With his immense experience in intelligence, he advocates a pragmatic approach and an open mind to unravel a mystery too important to be left to dreamers and dogmatic skeptics.
Alain Juillet is one of the high-level political, scientific and military speakers who bring their expertise to Dominique Filhol's documentary, "UFOs: A Matter of States". "There is a term that comes up more and more often among specialists in the subject is the idea of 'non-human intelligence' this term is interesting because it does not reject the extraterrestrial hypothesis but it encompasses many other theories as to the nature of the phenomenon" summarizes the director, marked from childhood by spectacular testimonies of relatives who have observed inexplicable phenomena.
The shooting further strengthened his convictions: "The phenomenon has become palpable. I had the chance to film a meeting of the members of the SIGMA 2 commission that studies UFOs in a rigorous and scientific way or to meet Senator Harry Reid at the origin of the AATIP ufo research program of the US Department of Defense. All these interviews reinforced my intuitions."
The succession of testimonies and analyses in "UFOs: a matter of states" reminds us: UFOs exist, at least as a subject of study but their nature remains elusive: "the hypotheses concerning the nature of these 'objects' are not limited to an extraterrestrial origin." Parallel worlds, time travelers: nothing can be ruled out of a backhand. "There is also a current of ufology that studies the links between consciousness and the UFO phenomenon and this is a point that is addressed in the film," continues Dominique Filhol.
"For more and more researchers, in cases of close encounters, the phenomenon seems to interact with the consciousness of witnesses. This is what some US NAVY fighter pilots who observed these phenomena have reported: these objects seemed to anticipate the reactions of the pilots, as if they were able to read their minds."
As usual, the UFO subject takes us very far. A less perilous journey if you are well accompanied. This is in any case the conviction of Alain Juillet for whom politicians and scientists must now take the subject head on.
You have agreed to participate in Dominique Filhol's documentary, "UFOs: a matter of states". Is this the first time you have spoken publicly on the subject of UFOs?
Alain Juillet: Yes. I had participated in a meeting of aeronautical enthusiasts where the problem of unidentified objects had been discussed. I was in the room and had answered a few questions. But I had never spoken on this subject publicly. It was following an interview with the director, Dominique Filhol, that we addressed this theme. He asked me two, three questions and said, "I'm interested in this, I'm preparing something." That's how it happened.
Did you have a particular interest in UFOs?
Alain Julliet: Yes, even if I am not an enthusiast. On the other hand, I am originally an intelligence man and when we see inexplicable things today, we know that we will be able to explain them tomorrow. It's just that we don't have the elements to imagine or understand what's going on. In the particular field of UFOs, not to mention people who see a flying saucer landing in a field, there are fighter pilots, astronauts, people who are anything but funny and report very precise observations. We must not say that these are nonsense but just recognize that there are things that escape us. It is in this context that I became interested in this problem because the first thing we see when we study this phenomenon is that obviously these machines or these apparitions do not work according to the earth's laws and in particular that they are not subject to gravitation. So the question is: has a country developed a system that allows you to escape gravitation? 20 years ago, I would have said, "Why not?" But today, if a country in the world had made such a discovery, we would know. No progress of this magnitude can remain secret. That's impossible.
If a country had such a technology, it would have already been used openly...
Alain Juillet: One way or another, there would have been leaks, an indiscretion of the scientists working on it... Since there has been absolutely nothing, it is because it is something else and that it escapes the earthly dimension.
Do the intelligence services have adequate tools to deal with such elusive subjects as UFOs, the nature of which is not known and whose very existence remains questionable?
Alain Juillet: For the subject to interest them, they must have received an order. In order to collect information, it is necessary to develop technical and human resources. An intelligence service can only work on UFOs if there is a need that is expressed by those who lead, i.e. by the highest authorities of the state. If the latter consider that this is not a priority problem, which is usually the case, nothing happens. We know that the Americans have launched a very serious study with a big budget to try to understand. And it seems that other great powers, especially Russia and China, have done the same thing, probably for the same reasons: to find out if there is not behind the UFO phenomenon something that, technically speaking, can be interesting. Here, I come to another aspect that I evoke in the film and that has been explained by others much stronger than me in this area: we move from a vision of the world shaped by traditional physics to another vision based on quantum physics. And these phenomena are much better understood through the prism of quantum physics than through the prism of current physics.
Around the world, a few prominent political figures, such as Clinton and Obama's former chief of staff, John Podesta, have taken a public stand in favor of greater government transparency on UFOs. Is it useful in your opinion?
Alain Juillet: In the global competition that is raging today, especially between China and the United States, it is obvious that a new weapon that is needed because no one knows how to stop it gives a competitive advantage to the country that possesses it. The Russians, for example, have developed a system of surface-to-air missiles, the S-400s, which scare everyone, because no one knows how to stop them, the Americans any more than the others. Fighter jets prefer to bypass them rather than take the risk of being shot down. The Russians have also released the hypersonic missile, Avangard, which no defense can stop. Also interesting is this torpedo, developed by the Russians, a copy of which would have exploded in the Kursk, in 2000, after being stuck in the torpedo tube. This torpedo is moving at an incredible speed, several hundred kilometers per hour, much faster than anything on the market. What for? Because this torpedo creates in the water an environment that is no longer water but air, which reduces friction as much as possible.
What joins the research on MHD Magnetohydrodynamics?
Alain Juillet: Exactly... It is a machine that is formidable because its performance far exceeds that of all others. I am not a dreamer but when we see as in the documentary a machine that accelerates, slows down, passes in the water, comes out, all this filmed by American fighter planes, we ask ourselves questions. And we say to ourselves: "Aren't we getting there too?" Going back to quantum physics, she postulates that two separate points can be the same. This seems inconceivable to us, but from there, we can go very far, to the possible existence of parallel worlds. For comparison, a fly with its faceted eyes can see other dimensions than ours although it lives in our world. So maybe there are things that are in our universe but that we can't see in normal times because they're not in our field of vision. But maybe, from time to time, something happens, that a phenomenon passes through our field of perception before disappearing from it. I am not talking about the "little green men". I rather have the impression of being in the same approach as some scientists and astronomers who simply say "something escapes us".
From a military point of view, it is therefore research that touches on Defence, national interests... Isn't there a contradiction between publicly demanding research into the UFO phenomenon and the need to maintain some form of secrecy?
Alain Juillet: I don't think secrecy is really helpful unless you discover disturbing things. But we note that the phenomenon has not so far shown any aggressive intent. So, there's no reason to worry, we're not in a horror movie... On the other hand, I do not think it is necessary to talk about it too much because many people will start fantasizing about everything! If we say "UFOs may be a reality" or talk about advances in quantum physics, we will be told "oh the poor man, he's gone crazy". As we leave the classic relationship that people have with science, it may not pass. And there is obviously the possibility that gurus will take up the issue and tell anything. We must not over-promote all this but try to remain scientific and say to ourselves: there is something, it is indisputable. A number of factors suggest that it is next to us without coming from us and that, it can come from other worlds, why not after all... There is no point in dreaming. I come back to my original job, you have to try to ask yourself: what conclusions can I draw from the elements I have? However, I do not have a conclusion, all I have is a number of clues that allow me to think without having certainties.
One can risk a perhaps risky comparison with the outbreak of Covid-19 as a radically new element in the lives of billions of people. We see that companies are adapting and integrating this event calmly despite the threat. Wouldn't it be the same with the realization that the UFO phenomenon does not come from our world?
Alain Juillet: That's right. I think people adapt very well. If tomorrow morning, we have confirmation that UFOs come from a world parallel to ours, well everyone will say "well, there is a parallel world". The day we say it, within five years, everyone will have accepted it as a banal phenomenon. In "Le crabe tambour", a film I loved, a Breton priest interprets white trails in the sky as signs. And he trains his parishioners to follow them in one direction, then in another. At the end, exhausted, the faithful return home and we discover that these signs were actually the trails left by the first jet planes that made Paris New York...
What do you think of the work of Geipan, which within CNES does a lot of work to collect information on unidentified aerial phenomena?
Alain Juillet: People in intelligence will all tell you that the first job is collecting information. First, you have to collect everything you can collect and they do that very, very well. Then, we must select in this collection what appears really serious, and they do it too. After that, with regard to the analysis itself of these serious elements, it is specialists and high-level researchers who must reflect on it.
Geipan, despite its work, seems to be little solicited by public or private research...
Alain Juillet: We are the land of Descartes, Cartesian in essence, the land of norms, principles, rules... Americans, on the other hand, learn in their schools to think "out of the box", outside the box. We are still learning to think "in the box". I think it will be done in France the day when people are no longer afraid to be ridiculous. If we learn that the United States or China not only devote important studies to this subject, but that in addition to high-level scientists have drawn worthy reflections, then our researchers will no longer fear being taken for wacky.
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